For some time ago the obvious fact that the coffee Zinzino distributes, Rombouts & Malongo, can be imported from Continental Europe to North Europe perfectly legal has been highlighted here on zinzinotruth. And for a while an operation like this has been run in Estonia. What is being offered is to get pass the hassle of ordering coffee yourself since Rombouts tries to cut all parallel streams of goods. You will need a few tricks in your sleeve to order the coffee yourself.
You can also order coffee to other Baltic and Nordic countries from kohvitellimus.ee. We have been sent word from a customer in Finland that it works fine. You can order both coffee and espresso machines cheaper than ordering from Zinzino.
Finnish Lottery Inspection suspects that Zinzino is a illegal pyramid scheme according to Finnish law. This somewhat vindicates the authors of this blog and the stance we have been taken. The Finnish national police board has prepared a pre trial investigation. Time will tell the outcome.
Zinzino’s report for the first two quarters reveals that coffee sales are decreasing significantly in Q2 compared to Q1. This has not been the case for either 2012 nor 2011. And coffee sales for Q2 2013 are only 10 % higher than Q2 2012. This has lead to a big stock of espresso machines that of course locks down cash.
This should raise the question, is the market for these machines at these inflated prices already saturated? Of course there are a lot of other possible explanations. We know that at least some 40-50 % of the turnover comes from Zinzino’s own partners making purchases. So a explanation could be that more Zinzino Food oriented partners are recruited than before.
But it is clear that the interest for the coffee are starting to decline. The problem is also that Zinzino is dependent on the exclusivity agreement with Rombouts. If Zinzino is unable to expand Rombouts market share in the north, the exclusivity agreement may cease.
The argument for staying in Zinzino could now be that you have a network to sell new products. But still, you have made some work hoping you got a loyal organisation/team consuming coffee for a long time. Witch may not be the case. This shows that the long term residual income argument is flawed, because sales will plummet.
The report also reveals that Zinzino is not planning to sell the coffee machines in USA, only Zinzino Food. Do they not have a agreement with Rombouts and what is that indicating for the agreement in North Europe? OR would prices be to high for the low price american market? Interesting since Zinzino started out as a pure coffee business.
Zinzino stock price spiked during the release of the report but lost all its gains during the day. Zinzino stock has been trading sideways since Mars/April.
…or competition more accurately. Recently it has been pointed out that Zinzino will get competition. And here they are. Two companies, in Norway and Sweden, sells the equivalent to Balance oil, but cheaper. Especially for partners.
The difference is biggest in Norway. If you order 12 bottles, prices at San Helse go as low as 166,33 NOK a bottle! Zinzino charges 307 NOK if you subscribe for 12 months. Zinzino is 85 % more expensive in Norway. And this is for customers, remember: partners pay even more inflated prices. And remember that the freight is FREE in Norway at SanHelse so in total, Zinzino will be 100% more expensive for the Norwegian customer.
Artic Med prices is 257 SEK if you order 3 bottles. Zinzino charges 339 SEK. Plus freight, whereas Artic Med has free freight. Zinzino freight seems to be 39 SEK every two months, that is 19,5 SEK every month. So total cost Zinzino is 339+19,5 = 359 SEK. Zinzino is 40 % more expensive than ArticMed.
And what if you are partner of Zinzino? These companies seem to be looking for retailers as well so why not sell their oil instead? Because Zinzino is an awful deal considering the 500 EUR start kit where you buy oil at inflated prices plus the 50 EUR autoship requirement. It doesn’t make any sense if you are not high up in the compensation system and fool others in order to make money yourself.
More info will come with comparison of these products. This blog is mostly concentrated on economic issues, it does not take a stance if you need omega3 supplements. But if you make the calculation, ordinary omega 3 pills are a bad deal. The doses of omega 3 are really high in these bottles.
Comparing 12 month subscription with 3 or 6 bottle purchases is fair, because 12 bottles engagement is bigger that a 3 or 6 bottle purchase.
A simple calculation I did yesterday in an answer to a comment showed that if there was 1000 people that would split the profits in Zinzino, they would only make 625 EUR a month before taxes.
Haha, given thousands of people their freedom? That is impossible. In order to give 1000 people financial freedom, I would say 20 000 EUR a month BEFORE taxes is needed (10 000-15 000 EUR after tax). That is 20 000 000 EUR a month and 240 000 000 EUR for one year. Zinzino sales was 18 500 000 EUR 2012. Those numbers doesn’t add up, right? Orjan and the closest buddies would need 2 000 000 EUR for themselves, and profits to dole out is maybe 50 % of sales. 18,5 million – 2 millions for Orjan and friends – 9 million expenses, that leaves 7,5 million EUR. But we needed 240 millions! How do you explain that?
7,5 million EUR to 1000 persons, that is 7500 EUR per person, 625 EUR per person and month. Say taxes are 30%, that leaves 438 EUR a month. That is not much to show for, is it? And you said “giving freedom to thousands of people”, how is that possible?
So how many successful people are there that go to these Zinzino events? It is obvious that the only purpose of these events is to put faith into people that they will be successful too, if they only listen to a bunch of rich charlatans. I guess that just shaking their hands will give you more than a Masters Degree in Business Economics. The purpose is also to make people continue making purchases even though they are supposed to be partners and making money. These charlatans are selling hopes and dreams about being rich and laying on the beach as a religion and these scammers are the prophets..
In a real business you will not need tens of thousands of people just to make a tiny 600 000 EUR profit. Look at this Swedish family company that is in the hamburger restaurant business: http://www.121.nu/onetoone/foretag/max-hamburgerrestauranger-aktiebolag-66FC/ekonomi. It has 1548 employees and a turnover of 165 million EUR, almost ten times that of Zinzino. The profit was 8,3 million EUR for 2012, MORE than ten times that of Zinzino. And the average employee got 27 000 EUR for 2012. In Zinzino the average partner pays in order to work. So, frying hamburgers is obviously more profitable for the employees AND the shareholders. That is what a good business is all about. Not fooling people and extract money from them, that is a fraud. In order for Zinzino to have a turnover of 165 million EUR, they would need hundreds of thousands of partners, a middle sized town or the whole country of Island. So how much value would those hundreds of thousands of people create with their time? What if all businesses operated like Zinzino? Nothing would ever be produced and hence all people would be poor. No, business is about innovation and combining resources in an efficient way. That makes a bigger a output for less effort and that is what makes a country richer.
But where there is money and hopes about money, there will always be illegitimate so called companies that will try to fool people. And unfortunately, it is often easy to fool people when you play on the right strings.
Well, well Zinzino finally bought a new home page. The old one had one of the worst designs ever. But since they now have a answer section to what I presume are frequently asked questions, I will give you answers from another perspective. Continue reading
Ey folks, craving to build up your own brand? A strong brand, where you can rule the world in accordance with your wishes, requirements, hopes and dreams? Where you and you alone, determine which way to take to reach your goals of sustainable growth and success? Well, if you believe the MLM path will get you to the land of your dreams, it’s time to think again. Or, at least, read this first. Continue reading
My Lavazza trial for the cheap guy turns out well. Took only 4 working days for Lavazza capsules from abroad to arrive. I don’t know how many days it takes for Zinzino products to be delivered (NATIONAL delivery), but I think it takes 3 days. International freight for my caps was only 10 euro. And the web shop had a better layout than Zinzino. I can’t really say it is easier to order from Zinzino, it is harder. You have to contact a local salesman first in order to get an account so that you can order your expensive pods.
The Lavazza machine hasn’t arrived though. When it does, it will be interesting to compare the taste between Rombouts and Lavazza.
I have used Google to find the cheapest possible machine and capsules from Lavazza. I wanted a well renowned brand but still it should be fairly cheap. That made me decide to go with the Lavazza a Modo Mio system. I actually find the 1.2.3 pods pretty good, but since Rombouts seems to cooperate so closely with a scam company, I find it to have a bitter aftertaste. Also, I don’t like them for making it hard for customers who likes their coffee to get hold on it for normal prices and therefore also breaks EU legislation. Why should you really put effort into importing that coffee if they do not like their customers?
Lavazza was founded in Italy in 1895, one year before Rombouts. It also has a turnover approximately 10 times that of Rombouts Global. That Rombouts has been in business since 1896 is often held up proudly by Zinzino salesmen. In practically every point that Zinzino so proudly presents and hold up Rombouts, Lavazza surpasses them. Other coffee houses do that too, for example Paulig coffee from Finland. The business started in 1876. It didn’t roast coffee immediately however, but still. And it also has a larger turnover than Rombouts. Paulig has its own espresso pods system too.
You can easily find a good quality espresso pods system without trade restraints. That is the main point. I will maybe later compare the taste between Lavazza a Modo Mio and Rombouts 1.2.3 Spresso and maybe let friends and baristas try the difference. Of course you cannot take my eventual anecdotal evidence as “truth”, it is just for kicks.
Price for the AEG/Electrolux LM5100 GR A Modo Mio Machine was 39 EUR on sale (was 77 EUR) incl. 80 capsules and shipping to the Nordic countries 12 EUR. This machine is FULLY automatic btw, and has IN BUILT milk steamer. Which Zinzino machines hasn’t. You have to get a milk frother for 90 EUR from Zinzino.
Pods are about 0,28 EUR a piece. Shipping to the Nordic countries 8 EUR for a really big number of pods, so if you order like 500 pods at the time, shipping costs are negligible. And Zinzino make you pay for freight every second month. Stupid set up, according to me. Easier to have some pods at home and place order yourself when you are starting to run out. Pretty good with a brand without trade restraints? Enables you to get the high quality products from the cheapest stores with cheapest freight really easy.
Zinzino’s cheapest MANUAL machine is 250 EUR. Zinzino pods are 0,47 EUR a piece. I find it VERY unlikely that the Rombouts 1.2.3 Spresso system is superior to Lavazza. Lets see. What do you think?
The evil price cutters have put another machine on sale! Not as great as the Oh Espresso for 45 euro however. But hey, price cutters are evil! Go to good ole Zinzino and buy this machine for 249 euro as a customer! Or why not as a sales partner for 499 euro! Don’t make stupid comments about subscription rebate. 1: cost is added to your monthly fee. 2: Subscription is a contract and always bring down the price, same with telephones. And as shown in the sidebar, the customer offer is twice as expensive as Malongo’s own web shop. WITH subscription, so that comparison is not even fair for the part of Malongo web shop.
Today’s lesson for MLM scammers: have control of your brand. Selling a brand distributed normally in other EU countries makes it to easy to reveal your scam. How exclusive does this machine seem to you? Maybe Zinzino thinks that a exclusivity agreement automatically will make the Oh Mathic machine exclusive.
Just go down to the continent, take a truck load of machines with you and start flooding the market with these machines. With blessings from Brussels, of course. But anyway, Ubaldi has no legal right to refuse you because of nationality from ordering this machine directly either.
For some time ago the obvious fact that the coffee Zinzino distributes, Rombouts & Malongo, can be imported from Continental Europe to North Europe perfectly legal has been highlighted here on zinzinotruth. And for a while an operation like this has been run in Estonia. What is being offered is to get pass the hassle of ordering coffee yourself since Rombouts tries to cut all parallel streams of goods. You will need a few tricks in your sleeve to order the coffee yourself.
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