For some time ago the obvious fact that the coffee Zinzino distributes, Rombouts & Malongo, can be imported from Continental Europe to North Europe perfectly legal has been highlighted here on zinzinotruth. And for a while an operation like this has been run in Estonia. What is being offered is to get pass the hassle of ordering coffee yourself since Rombouts tries to cut all parallel streams of goods. You will need a few tricks in your sleeve to order the coffee yourself.
You can also order coffee to other Baltic and Nordic countries from kohvitellimus.ee. We have been sent word from a customer in Finland that it works fine. You can order both coffee and espresso machines cheaper than ordering from Zinzino.
Finnish Lottery Inspection suspects that Zinzino is a illegal pyramid scheme according to Finnish law. This somewhat vindicates the authors of this blog and the stance we have been taken. The Finnish national police board has prepared a pre trial investigation. Time will tell the outcome.
A simple calculation I did yesterday in an answer to a comment showed that if there was 1000 people that would split the profits in Zinzino, they would only make 625 EUR a month before taxes.
Haha, given thousands of people their freedom? That is impossible. In order to give 1000 people financial freedom, I would say 20 000 EUR a month BEFORE taxes is needed (10 000-15 000 EUR after tax). That is 20 000 000 EUR a month and 240 000 000 EUR for one year. Zinzino sales was 18 500 000 EUR 2012. Those numbers doesn’t add up, right? Orjan and the closest buddies would need 2 000 000 EUR for themselves, and profits to dole out is maybe 50 % of sales. 18,5 million – 2 millions for Orjan and friends – 9 million expenses, that leaves 7,5 million EUR. But we needed 240 millions! How do you explain that?
7,5 million EUR to 1000 persons, that is 7500 EUR per person, 625 EUR per person and month. Say taxes are 30%, that leaves 438 EUR a month. That is not much to show for, is it? And you said “giving freedom to thousands of people”, how is that possible?
So how many successful people are there that go to these Zinzino events? It is obvious that the only purpose of these events is to put faith into people that they will be successful too, if they only listen to a bunch of rich charlatans. I guess that just shaking their hands will give you more than a Masters Degree in Business Economics. The purpose is also to make people continue making purchases even though they are supposed to be partners and making money. These charlatans are selling hopes and dreams about being rich and laying on the beach as a religion and these scammers are the prophets..
In a real business you will not need tens of thousands of people just to make a tiny 600 000 EUR profit. Look at this Swedish family company that is in the hamburger restaurant business: http://www.121.nu/onetoone/foretag/max-hamburgerrestauranger-aktiebolag-66FC/ekonomi. It has 1548 employees and a turnover of 165 million EUR, almost ten times that of Zinzino. The profit was 8,3 million EUR for 2012, MORE than ten times that of Zinzino. And the average employee got 27 000 EUR for 2012. In Zinzino the average partner pays in order to work. So, frying hamburgers is obviously more profitable for the employees AND the shareholders. That is what a good business is all about. Not fooling people and extract money from them, that is a fraud. In order for Zinzino to have a turnover of 165 million EUR, they would need hundreds of thousands of partners, a middle sized town or the whole country of Island. So how much value would those hundreds of thousands of people create with their time? What if all businesses operated like Zinzino? Nothing would ever be produced and hence all people would be poor. No, business is about innovation and combining resources in an efficient way. That makes a bigger a output for less effort and that is what makes a country richer.
But where there is money and hopes about money, there will always be illegitimate so called companies that will try to fool people. And unfortunately, it is often easy to fool people when you play on the right strings.
Well, well Zinzino finally bought a new home page. The old one had one of the worst designs ever. But since they now have a answer section to what I presume are frequently asked questions, I will give you answers from another perspective. Continue reading
The evil price cutters have put another machine on sale! Not as great as the Oh Espresso for 45 euro however. But hey, price cutters are evil! Go to good ole Zinzino and buy this machine for 249 euro as a customer! Or why not as a sales partner for 499 euro! Don’t make stupid comments about subscription rebate. 1: cost is added to your monthly fee. 2: Subscription is a contract and always bring down the price, same with telephones. And as shown in the sidebar, the customer offer is twice as expensive as Malongo’s own web shop. WITH subscription, so that comparison is not even fair for the part of Malongo web shop.
Today’s lesson for MLM scammers: have control of your brand. Selling a brand distributed normally in other EU countries makes it to easy to reveal your scam. How exclusive does this machine seem to you? Maybe Zinzino thinks that a exclusivity agreement automatically will make the Oh Mathic machine exclusive.
Just go down to the continent, take a truck load of machines with you and start flooding the market with these machines. With blessings from Brussels, of course. But anyway, Ubaldi has no legal right to refuse you because of nationality from ordering this machine directly either.
MLM is legal just because there is some consumer-only selling going on. MLM organisations say they cut down marketing expenses and prices. But how is that possible?
Lets say we have a product that do not differ in properties between different manufacturers. If somone get targeted for a sales pitch and subscribe for 12 months, what after 12 months? There are other sources of products and there are always price-cutters. Price-cutters compete on price. That is the marketing cost. So after 12 months, instead of renewing subscription, the customer could search pricerunner or stores. It is not possible for MLM to compete with price-cutters or price because of the residual income in MLM. That’s it, it is theoratically impossible for MLM companies to bring the cheapest, highest quality products to market. And you can see why they always sell brands not found in stores or use exlusivity agreements to inhibit customers to compare prices.
And I would salute MLM organisations if they could do what they claim.
So they can’t bring high quality products to market for a decent price. That is why they wan’t you to join, making you think you could sell the products to others and consume for free and even earn money. But that sounds like a scheme that will run out of suckers in the end, doesn’t it?
I got reports that Zinzino claims zinzinotruth.com is not a trustable source of information. I guess Rombouts own webshops are a bad source for price information, that pricerunner.fr is a bad source of price information and that EU commission/EU pages are bad information sources regarding EU laws and that Konsumentverket or Kommerskollegiet in Sweden also are unrelible sources of info.
I am anonymous so all info from objective sources are unrelible. The reason must be that I am a spy/agent from a competitor that wants to crush Zinzino. Yepp, thats gotta be the truth….
There are some legal uncertainty regarding the rights of Rombouts/Malongo web shops to discriminate EU-citizens against nationality. When asking for advice from European Commission they will suggest ALL customers who are rejected ordering from ANY web store, Rombouts own or any one selling their products, to file a complaint to the Commission.
The complaints may cause the Commission to commence investigation.
If you are not rejected, you will finally enjoy high quality Rombouts/Malongo coffee for a decent price. Also, you may order the WHOLE product line, including ground coffee and whole beans.
Suggestion of issues to mention in complaints:
Discriminated because of nationality
Not possible to order Rombouts/Malongo products from web shops in the Nordic and Baltic countries, without registered as a customer of Zinzino
Several products of Rombouts/Malongo product line unavailable in the Nordic and Baltic countries
Good luck! We are all EU-citizens and must demand our rights accordingly.
Norway and Iceland are not EU states, but have signed the EES-agreement and comply with similar trade agreements to EU states.
Here is a link that will help you file the complaint:
And if EU-court would rule web shops to not discriminate, parcel forwarding would of course not be needed ever again to get Rombouts/Malongo products!
This post shows what I think is wrong and what is the flaw with the whole basis and operation of Zinzino in a very good way. And there is a slight chance EU agrees with me.
Explains perfectly well in a humorous way the flaws of Multi Level Marketing. MLM critical Robert Fitzpatric, whose Pyramid Scheme Alert PDF-file is linked here on zinzinotruth.com, is also starring.
WARNING!! PARENTAL ADVISORY! FULL FRONTAL MALE & FEMALE NUDITY 00.00 TO 01.16!!! AND PARTLY FEMALE NUDITY 20.16-20.36!
WARNING!! PARENTAL ADVISORY! FULL FRONTAL MALE & FEMALE NUDITY 00.00 TO 01.16!!! AND PARTLY FEMALE NUDITY 20.16-20.36!
This video is not on my Youtube-channel. I will not cut away nudity and post it in my channel. I want you to do as you please. Have never seen any other episodes of Penn & Teller but this one is really good. And the nudity is probably a standing humor theme in Penn & Teller! 😉
Wiki says: Penn and Teller often have skits and stunts performed with them on set or use stock footage to combine reasonable arguments with straightforward, entertaining ridicule. For example, the “Sex, Sex, Sex” episode may be satirizing the media’s obsession with sex appeal by having the hosts constantly surrounded by naked actors and actresses.
That products are secondary in Zinzino is perfectly clear if you study the 16 pages, or whatever, compensation plan. Video also makeS a good point how the overpriced exclusivity rights coffee is really distributed. One could really wonder regarding the REAL customer demand for Rombouts in the Nordic and Baltic states…
If someone has hard numbers on customer turnover VS partner turnover, please send an email…
On the internet you can always find products at many different prices. Thats the reason that priceportals exist. All people know that You can find products at many different prices. Prices depends on the agreements / country tax and perhaps companies selling out of stock etc. Prices is going Up and Down. I will recommend Zinzinotruth to research on what Zinzino customers get in there subscription other than coffee, before they paint stories all over the net. What does a Zinzino subscription contain other than the coffee, do You know?”
It contains warranty for calcium related problems. Water filter and calcium products are included. What do they cost? Brita water filter is around 6 euro*. Anti calcium kit is 3 euro*. Now we must make an assumption, please mail if I’m totally wrong. 1 anti-calcium kit per year is needed and four Brita filters. 28 euro in total.
Moreover: you get warranty for calcium related problems. BUT, Zinzinos own folder says that using anti-calcium products, will minimize the problems. And also: it doesn’t seem that much of a problem? Getting calcium cleaned can be done, even if its to late using these products. So the “extra” benefit offers very little value. In order for Zinzino to make an argument: Show us statistics of percentage of totally failed/wrecked/unrepairable machines due to calcium slugging! If Zinzino got nothing to show for it, I call bull on this one!
The readers are certainly aware of this deceptive selling tactic. Increase the price by hundreds of percents, package the product in an “total customer care offer”, show of an “warranty” and some added products of little value. This way is a VERY common and deceptivte selling strategy to extract funds from customers, giving no net velue in return i comparison to “price cutters”. Normally, customers can value “soft” values, like shopping in your local store with the friendly guy. However, Zinzino has nothing to do with this. Zinzino operates dangerously close to pyramid schemes. Even if they to current laws may not be called that in law terms.
We have a big problem. One year of coffee consumption is 30×12= 360 EUR per year for 12×60 (note: assuming you already payed the first year that cost 36EUR for “paying of the machine” common procedure with mobile phones+subscription) etc pods subscription. France: 0,275x12x60 = *198 EUR using jmgranner‘s numbers. Add 28 EUR for water filter and you end up: 226EUR. One year warranty on calcium problems cost ya 136EUR. Thats more than a brand new machine at the more sensible price 100EUR. Point made? And machine at Zinzino also cost at least 160% more also. I think it is VERY unlikely ANYONE will use a machine so long that the MINIMAL risk of calcium related problems will occur. Food for thought: calcium warranty is not TOTAL warranty. Machine can break down on other faults!! BUT: lets for an example say that machines die of calcium after fem year on average. Now: In order to get calcium warranty you gotta buy a brand new machine from Zinzino. We’ll go with the half-automated version. Cost 260 EUR and you gotta sign 12 months 36EUR subscription to pay of machine, and go with 30 the rest of the four years.
Zinzino: Machine 260 EUR, subscription 36×12 + 30×48. Total: 2131EUR for 5 years.
France: Machine 100EUR, pods 0,275 x 60 x 12 x 5 +28×5(cleaning/filter) = 1130EUR for 5 years.
We assume they all want the same machine another 5 years (not likely)
Zinzino: No machine, got new on warranty, subscription 30×60. Total: 1800EUR for 5 years.
France: Machine 100EUR, pods 0,275 x 60 x 12 x 5 +28×5(cleaning/filter) = 1130EUR for 5 years.
Next year the same as the last, assuming the VERY unlikely scenario no one want a new machine.
I also got a very good input and something important to think about from my partners from Finland, who are responsible for the linked Google-doc: we don’t know for sure how many REAL customers Zinzino has!
And the thing is: partners pay EVEN more for machines. Zinzino pushes pretty hard for new partners over ordinary customers because of this. ALSO partners are FORCED to “autoship” 70 euro worth of products every month. It makes perfectly good sense for this “company” to only have partners, since they are forced to be loyal, forced to autoship, more effective at finding new partners, overpay for machines even more than customers.
I also want you to ask yourself this: Does Zinzino has the group: “customers” to be nice? OR… maybe…. it is just because in order to tweak the company to be legal? It would make more sense to only have partners… It could be done: because Zinzino is VERY GOOD at one thing. Pitching the “business idea” to make it sound so good that you pay for the “business kit”.
Think about this.
Btw:
Zinzino partner: If you have a comment on this: create your own blog, critizise this blog in discussion threads, or send an email. Due to spammers I CANNOT allow comments here, and it is no comments or all comments policy. Use good objective language or else I just thrash your email. If I do not answer, reformulate. Also see no one making a good try defending Zinzino at discussion forums. At Flashback.org and Murobbs.plaza.fi people are even starting to make jokes and laughing about Zinzino. Go there and spam…
For some time ago the obvious fact that the coffee Zinzino distributes, Rombouts & Malongo, can be imported from Continental Europe to North Europe perfectly legal has been highlighted here on zinzinotruth. And for a while an operation like this has been run in Estonia. What is being offered is to get pass the hassle of ordering coffee yourself since Rombouts tries to cut all parallel streams of goods. You will need a few tricks in your sleeve to order the coffee yourself.
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